Архиепископ Польши признал факт сотрудничества с коммунистами

MammonoK

Вкрацце, архиепископ Польши признал факт сотрудничества с коммунистами, и снял с себя полномочия. Молодец, респект ему. К сожалению, совки в РПЦ этого не сделают никогда. а ведь ридигер (кстати, говорят, что он содомит) в молодости клепал коммунистические статейки на ура! могу сюда закинуть.

Poland's archbishop resigns, admits helping secret police
RYAN LUCAS
Associated Press
WARWAW, Poland — Warsaw's new archbishop resigned Sunday over his involvement with the communist-era secret police, and the Vatican said his past actions had “gravely compromised his authority” in the Roman Catholic homeland of the late Pope John Paul II.
Stanislaw Wielgus announced his decision at the capital's St. John's Cathedral, packed with worshippers gathered for a Mass that was to have marked his formal installation. The congregation included President Lech Kaczynski.
A forlorn-looking Bishop Wielgus read from a letter to Pope Benedict XVI in which he offered his resignation “after reflecting deeply and assessing my personal situation.”
Though Mr. Kaczynski and some others applauded, many in the church and a large crowd packed outside in the rain shouted, “We welcome you,” “Stay with us,” and “No, No!”
Dressed in a resplendent golden miter and robes, Bishop Wielgus, 67, made his brief announcement less than an hour after Poland's church said in a statement that he had resigned.
Revelations that Bishop Wielgus had contacts with the hated secret police of the communist regime, which ended in 1989, had shaken a country where many view the church as a moral authority that bravely opposed the regime.
The case, which had simmered since mid-December, expanded into a full-blown crisis on Friday when a church historical commission said it had found evidence that Bishop Wielgus had co-operated with the regime.
Bishop Wielgus initially denied that, but then issued two statements acknowledging that he did sign an agreement in 1978 promising to co-operate with the security force in exchange for permission to leave Poland to study in West Germany.
However, he stressed that he did not inform on anyone or try to hurt anyone, and he expressed remorse for both his contacts with the secret police and his failure to be forthcoming from the beginning.
The church said the pope has asked the outgoing archbishop, Cardinal Jozef Glemp, to administer the archdiocese until a replacement is found.
In place of the installation, Cardinal Glemp devoted Sunday's Mass to a homily defending Bishop Wielgus. He called him “God's servant” and warned of the dangers of passing judgment based on incomplete and flawed documents left behind by the communist authorities.
“Today a judgment was passed on Bishop Wielgus,” said Glemp, who is also Poland's primate.
“But what kind of judgment was it, based on some documents and shreds of paper photocopied three times over? We do not want such judgments,” Cardinal Glemp said to loud applause.
He said that Bishop Wielgus was intimidated and threatened into agreeing to co-operate with the communist police.
But Reverend Federico Lombardi, the spokesman for the Vatican, said Bishop Wielgus' behaviour “in past years during the communist regime in Poland gravely compromised his authority.” In an interview Sunday with Vatican Radio, Rev. Lombardi added that Bishop Wielgus was right to resign “despite his humble and moving request for forgiveness.”
But Rev. Lombardi said that the revelations were not necessarily motivated by a search for transparency.
“It is right to note that the case of Monsignor Wielgus is not the first, and probably won't be the last attack against a church official based on documentation from the (secret) services of the past regime,” Rev. Lombardi added. “It is an endless amount of material ... and we must not forget that it was produced by officials of an oppressive and blackmailing regime.”
The Vatican spokesman said the renewed push in Poland toward uncovering details of the church under communism seemed to be motivated by a wish for “revenge on the part of those who in the past persecuted (the church) and were defeated by the faith and desire for freedom of the Polish people.”
John Paul's opposition to communism is credited with inspiring the rise in the 1980s of Poland's pro-democracy Solidarity movement, which helped end communist rule in 1989.

MammonoK

оке, чичаз поищу и скину

Nefertyty

Revelations that Bishop Wielgus had contacts with the hated secret police of the communist regime, which ended in 1989, had shaken a country where many view the church as a moral authority that bravely opposed the regime.
Имхо не дело церкви бороться с режимом. Разве это Иисус завещал?
Этот деятель поступил как политик, а не как епископ.

MammonoK

ну коммунисты - по определению атеисты (богоборцы). естественно, с ними надо бороться. если ты в не в курсе, то мнения католиков и православных во многом должны опираться так же на мнения святых отцов, а они довольно жесткие вещи писали. sola scriptura - это только у лютеран.
я думаю он поступил как честный человек, который раскаялся в том, что он сделал.

sever576

Вильд в своем антикоммунизме уже дошел по поучения, что надо делать патриарху. И без Вильда разберутся -)

MammonoK

э, он такой же "патриарх", как я балерина... обычный коммуноид. уверен, что в Бога не верит.
а ты бы лучше по делу высказался (по статье, которую я привел).

sever576

Твою уверенность к делу не пришьешь. Опять же, не дело церкви бороться с властью, какой бы она ни была. Церковь пережила Диоклетиана, переживет и всех остальных. Так что твои поучения церкви излишни, а претензии необоснованы.

sever576

Warsaw's new archbishop resigned Sunday over his involvement with the communist-era secret police
если чины РПЦ не сотрудничали с КГБ, то я вообще не понимаю сути твоих претензий
Или ты искренне полагаешь, что церковь должна была биться с Советской властью только потому, что та была советской?
Или приветствовать приход Гитлера как представителя нордической расы?

sidorskys

Да при царе это вроде было повседневной практикой, что же, теперь вообще РПЦ закрыть?

Nefertyty

Не понял, что было при царе?

sidorskys

Сотрудничество с полицией было повседневной практикой.
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