[link] Президент Гарвардского университета о способностях женщин

Nefertyty

http://www.local6.com/education/4090001/detail.html
Надо заметить, что в статье, несмотря на название, не утверждается, что Lawrence H. Summers
заявил, что он уверен в меньших способностях женщин в науке и технике. Всего лишь:
"It's possible I made some reference to innate differences," he said. He said people "would prefer to believe" that the differences in performance between the sexes are due to social factors, "but these are things that need to be studied."
То есть вопрос нужно изучать, по его мнению.
Несмотря на это,
The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins - a Harvard graduate - to walk out on Summers' talk, The Boston Globe reported.
"It is so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way," Hopkins said later.

AlienOne

Т.е. экономист
http://www.president.harvard.edu/biography/
спорит с биологами
biologist Nancy Hopkins - a Harvard graduate
о женщинах в engineering and math careers?
Демократия хмм....

karim

запость полный текст
ината нет

Pyctam79

Вот чего понять не могу.
Пускай женщины в среднем менее пригодны для изучения пограничных областей науки типа извратных геометрий в ядерной физике, где и у мужиков мозги плавятся.
Но причём здесь математика в целом? Ведь это, по существу, язык. Сиди и тупо выводи из теоремы 1 теорему 2. Почему женщины в лингвистике хороши, а в математике - нет?

zuzaka

> Ведь это, по существу, язык. Сиди и тупо выводи из теоремы 1 теорему 2.
Не могу согласиться.
> Почему женщины в лингвистике хороши, а в математике - нет?
Назови хотя бы трех крупных лингвисток. Честно говоря, я ни одной не знаю.

Pyctam79

> > Ведь это, по существу, язык. Сиди и тупо выводи из теоремы 1 теорему 2.
> Не могу согласиться.
Ну утрирую я. Пытаюсь помнить, что кр-ть - с. т. и не флудить.
> > Почему женщины в лингвистике хороши, а в математике - нет?
> Назови хотя бы трех крупных лингвисток. Честно говоря, я ни одной не знаю.
Я тоже, но кто в основном учится на филфаке?

AlienOne

Ты хочешь биологов поддержать? А экономисты в форуме есть?
Lawrence H. Summers, speaking Friday at an economic conference, also questioned how great a role discrimination plays in keeping female scientists and engineers from advancing at elite universities.
The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins - a Harvard graduate - to walk out on Summers' talk, The Boston Globe reported.
"It is so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way," Hopkins said later.
Five other participants in the National Bureau of Economic Research conference, including Denice D. Denton, chancellor designate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, also said they were offended by the comments. Four other attendees contacted afterward by the Globe said they were not.
Summers told the Globe he was discussing hypotheses based on the scholarly work assembled for the conference, not expressing his own views. He also said more research needs to be done on the issues.
Conference organizers said Summers was asked to be provocative, and that he was invited as a top economist, not as a Harvard official.
The two-day, invitation-only conference of the Cambridge-based National Bureau of Economic Research drew about 50 economists from around the country to discuss women and minorities in science and engineering.
Summers declined to provide a tape or transcript of his remarks, but he did describe comments to the Globe similar to what participants recalled.
"It's possible I made some reference to innate differences," he said. He said people "would prefer to believe" that the differences in performance between the sexes are due to social factors, "but these are things that need to be studied."
He also cited as an example one of his daughters, who as a child was given two trucks in an effort at gender-neutral upbringing. Yet he said she named them "daddy truck" and "baby truck," as if they were dolls.
It was during such comments that Hopkins got up and left.
"Here was this economist lecturing pompously (to) this room full of the country's most accomplished scholars on women's issues in science and engineering, and he kept saying things we had refuted in the first half of the day," said Denton, the outgoing dean of the College of Engineering at the University of Washington.
Summers already faced criticism because the number of senior job offers to women has dropped each year of his three-year presidency.
He has promised to work on the problem.
И голосование
Do you think Summers' comments about women were offensive?
Choice Votes Percentage of 29331 Votes
Yes 13179 45%
No 14512 49%
Not sure 1640 6%
А в моей ссылке биография президента
Having received a bachelor of science degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1975, Mr. Summers began his Harvard career as a doctoral student in economics. He served, among other roles, as a resident tutor in Lowell House and a teaching fellow for Ec 10, the popular undergraduate economics survey course. After completing his dissertation, "An Asset-Price Approach to Capital Income Taxation," he was awarded the PhD from Harvard in 1982. By that time, he had taught for three years as an economics faculty member at MIT, where he was named assistant professor in 1979 and associate professor in 1982. He then went to Washington as a domestic policy economist for the President's Council of Economic Advisers.
In 1983, he returned to Harvard as a professor of economics, one of the youngest individuals in recent history to be named as a tenured member of the University's faculty. In 1987, he was named Nathaniel Ropes Professor of Political Economy. While on the faculty, he taught undergraduate and graduate courses in macroeconomics and public finance and was an adviser to numerous graduate students who have themselves gone on to become leading economists. He also served as an editor of the Quarterly Journal of Economics.
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karim

так тут же сплошные предположения

lebuhoff

а кого из лингвистов вообще знаешь

karim

я толкина знаю

zuzaka

Тебя интересует, кого я знаю лично? Или чьи труды я читал?
Ну, так, быстро по памяти, самых известных и только тех, кого читал:
Щерба, Соссюр, Поливанов, Реформаторский, Бодуэн де Куртене, Блумфилд, Марр, Зализняк, Сепир, Уорф, Алпатов, Лурия (он, правда, не лингвист Мински, Лакофф...

LiquiD

Реформаторский

Не Реформатский?
Лакофф - это клево! А Марр, если не ошибаюсь, всегда был скорее притчей во языцех...
А вообще, в семантике, например, очень много женщин... Ну Вежбицка, например, очень известная в своей области, я, правда, к ее трудам с некоторым скептицизмом отношусь, но на нее много кто равняется . Кобозева очень умная женщина, и работы стоящие пишет...
А Маслова со своей гипотезой Вавилонской башни меня в свое время очень впечатлила, хотелось бы почитать, как она это обосновывает
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